�c�餤�� is traditional Chinese, also called Mandarin.
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eh, I think Mandarin is refers to spoken Chinese language. Traditional and simplified Chinese refer to written Chinese language. For example, most people in China use simplified Chinese when writing and speak Mandarin. So, I don't think traditional chinese = mandarin (it's like comparing apple and orange). Again, just my 2 cents
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Enigmatic, I've done a little study into this and Mandarin was the language used in political talks in Beijin. It was traditional Chinese in a formal way, thus granted the name Mandarin. I'm not making it up and Mandarin was used before simplified Chinese even surfaced. It was then after the appearance of simplified CHinese that Chinese was divided into �_�ʩx��y(it's not called ��y) and the so called ���q�� that prevails in mainland CHina today. At least this is how
Americans and Canadians understand it.
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Peole in China speak Chinese. People in Taiwan speak Chinese too, but this Chinese language used in Taiwan is more formal and traditional, thus being called Mandarin. Now, there're many sub-divisions of CHinese that have evolved into region specific dialects, but what unifies the whole is called Mandarin( traditional formal Chinese ), which is the language people brought over to Taiwan from CHina long ago. ���q�� is not as standard. Due to the fast emergence of China as
one of the world's economic powerhouses, Western people start to confuse ���q�� with traditional talk and writing( formerly recognized as Mandarin ).
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i stand corrected #_#
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Here's my go at putting in my 2 cents' worth. Whatever Chinese dialects, they almost all use the same written system, which is called Chinese in general. However, there are 2 forms of written Chinese with the same grammar and pronunciation for a given dialect. Since the foundation of PRC, a relatively new written form of Chinese, called simplified Chinese and intended for saving time & better memorization, has become the only officially approved written
Chinese in mainland China. On the other hand, Mandarin which is the main form of spoken Chinese, in a way, can also be viewed as a dialect. I wonder if there are regulations or rules which oblige or encourage people in mainland China to speak Mandarin. Or does Mandarin predominate just because it's a naturally inevitable trend?
Yeah, Enig, that's the idea Mandarin refers to a spoken Chinese, though being the most popular one. Either traditional or simplified Chinese can be spoken with the
Mandarin pronunciation and tone or with those of other dialects. It's one thing to talk about whether it's traditional or simplified Chinese, but another to talk about whether it's Mandarin or not. The above are what I know about. And are they right? I'm not quite sure. It's occurring to me that SusanSusie is from mainland China, right? Can you give us some more information about Mandarin and simplified Chinese? Your comments will be appreciated.
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I think people I know from China speak Chinese, not Mandarin.To speak Mandarrin, you need the kind of accent and style like what the Taiwanese do. This is why most Westerners associate Taiwan with Mandarin and most Chinese with Chinese. Mandarin is a more traditional and formal way to say Chinese, unlike many Chinese dialects that have become region-specific. When you're in Canada, and you pick to learn a Chinese course, they tell you that you're learning Mandarin, not
Chinese, which has a nother course for it. Ruke, if u don't mind me saying, Mandarin is not as popular as Chinese, and only a small percentage of mainland people use Mandarin like the Taiwanese do. Each province in China has special ways for pronunciation and diction, which are often non-standard. My teacher has taught me that Mandarin is DIFFERENT from Chinese. I'll just state my conclusion again: Taiwan-->Mandarin; China-->the region specific form of common Chinese. I've flied a lot with
different airlines, and I've noticed that, when I'm in a Chinese plan, they tell me their service is in Chinese( same on the magazines and flyers), but when I'm in a Taiwanese plan, they always call it Mandarin, not Chinese, same for the books you see in the seatback pockets.
�Ӭݬ�"���H"�O���{����: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28linguistics%29 In everyday use, "Mandarin" refers usually to just Standard Mandarin (
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). Putonghua=���q��, Guoyu=��y
�Ӭݬݦr����w�q��: Oxford American
Dictionary: Mandarin Chinese Mandarin the standard literary and official form of Chinese based on the Beijing dialect, spoken by over 730 million people : [as adj. ] Mandarin Chinese. (�i�S������b�x�W�ϥΪ��~�OMandarin, �M��b����j���ϥΪ��N���OMandarin; over 730 million...�����W�L�x�W�H�f�F..)
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Chinese?" "What kind?" (���q�ܪ��O����H) "What do you mean?" (�H�e���O�۰��൹�|��"���q��/��y"���H) "Mandarin Chinese or Cantonese?" (�o�������j�v�A�s���Ӱ_���O�֦{��(�x�s��?)�A���O�`�ƥؤ��O��) ...
